"The Right was right, but the Right was also wrong. It understood the latent dangers in withdrawal, but completely failed to understand its necessity... The Right failed to grasp five years ago exactly what it refuses to grasp today... Israel must take its fate in its hands and act wisely to create a border between itself and Palestine. Only thus can it ensure its identity and legitimacy as a Jewish and democratic state."
Ari Shavit wordt hieronder aldus geciteerd door Paul Gross, die zelf wel iets ziet in Ehud Ya'ari's suggestie van een voorlopige terugtrekking uit een groot deel van de Westoever, waar de Palestijnen dan al een provisorische staat kunnen oprichten, totdat ze bereid zijn tot een voor Israel aanvaardbaar compromis over Jeruzalem, de vluchtelingen en andere heikele thema's.
Ari Shavit wordt hieronder aldus geciteerd door Paul Gross, die zelf wel iets ziet in Ehud Ya'ari's suggestie van een voorlopige terugtrekking uit een groot deel van de Westoever, waar de Palestijnen dan al een provisorische staat kunnen oprichten, totdat ze bereid zijn tot een voor Israel aanvaardbaar compromis over Jeruzalem, de vluchtelingen en andere heikele thema's.
Dat laatste lijkt me echter een voortzetting van het conflict, want in het niet ontruimde deel (wellicht het gebied achter de afscheidingsbarriere?) zullen de problemen en discussies over nederzettingenbouw, controleposten enz. inclusief de internationale kritiek en druk, gewoon doorgaan. George W. Bush zou er misschien voor zijn gegaan, maar Obama en de meeste Europese landen zullen er ook als voorlopige regeling geen genoegen mee nemen, en de VN en allerlei kritische organisaties zullen als tevoren Israel blijven veroordelen.
Als het het hoogst haalbare is, moet het misschien maar zo voorlopig, maar gelijk een min of meer definitieve grens vaststellen zou voor alle partijen beter zijn. De bezetting van de Westoever knecht niet alleen de Palestijnen maar ook de Israeli's zelf. Een "nieuwe exodus" uit de Westoever zou wonderen doen voor Israel en haar afbrokkelende imago in de wereld.
Wouter
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The Jerusalem Post
If we don't act, they will
By PAUL GROSS
12/28/2010 23:38
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=201332
Our status as a Western democracy will not survive our ruling over the Palestinians.
We appear to have reached the end of the latest fruitless attempt at resolving this too-long and too-bloody conflict. There's plenty of blame to go around. The Americans' early focus on a settlement freeze ensured that the Palestinians would have a perfect excuse to avoid direct negotiations – even though this had never before been a condition for peace talks. Meanwhile, the revelation that Mahmoud Abbas had rejected Ehud Olmert's parting offer of a two-state solution that went beyond anything previously offered in its crossing of supposed red lines was not a promising sign that the Palestinians were even ready to do a deal.
Binyamin Netanyahu responded to the US request by trying to appease Barack Obama while not alienating the settlers, ordering a 10-month moratorium but insisting it would be a one-time event. He ignored the advice of wiser heads in his government, such as Dan Meridor, who urged him to take the opportunity to make a distinction between the settlement blocs which, according to all previous peace proposals, would remain part of Israel, and settlements that would have to be evacuated as part of any future peace agreement.
However, far more depressing than this entirely predictable failure is the unavoidable feeling that, for some members of the government (possibly including the prime minister), the situation simply means we can go on as before.
They are surely familiar with the arguments for reaching a two-state deal. For the past decade or more, politicians on the Left and, increasingly, the center and even the Right have understood that Israel is fast heading toward a situation where the number of Arabs living in all the territory that it controls will outnumber the number of Jews. It would then face a demand for a one-state solution which would force it to either lose its Jewish character demographically or become an apartheid state.
This country needs to end the occupation, not for peace, not for the cause of Palestinian statehood, but for itself.
The reasons for this go beyond the demographic argument.
We should not underestimate how much we gain internationally by virtue of being part of the West. As much as we complain, justifiably, about the double standards in the Western media and among certain European "liberal" institutions, Israel is a close ally of not just the US, but the EU states, Canada, Australia and the liberal democratic world. This status is manifested in numerous ways, from preferential trade agreements, to diplomatic support at the UN, to cultural ties and more.
However, as Ehud Barak said just a few days ago: "The world is changing before our eyes, and is no longer willing to accept, even temporarily, our continued control over another people."
Quite simply, our status as a Western democracy will not survive our ruling over the Palestinians indefinitely. Security-based arguments for not returning to the pre-1967 borders are sound, but no Western government will accept that historical and religious ties to Judea and Samaria can justify Israel remaining in control there while denying the Palestinians equal rights.
IF YOU need another argument, how about this one: If we don't act to change the status quo, the Palestinians will. Threats to give up on a negotiated settlement and to go to the international community for support are not idle. If the world perceives us to be primarily to blame for the hold-up in negotiations (for example by continuing to build settlements in areas of the West Bank that will definitely be part of a future Palestinian state), there could be widespread support for an imposed solution, with the world – including our allies – recognizing the state of Palestine within the 1967 borders.
The final reason to end, finally, our control of the Palestinians is the simplest of all. It is wrong. Eitan Haber, who served as Yitzhak Rabin's bureau chief, has described how Rabin understood "that we could not continue to rule 2.5 million Palestinians against their will. The indications of moral deterioration that had appeared as part of our rule over the Arabs in the territories led him to recognize that we must not continue to dominate another people. The scenes of what the occupation was doing to the IDF and the behavior of soldiers at roadblocks or in the pursuit of demonstrators concerned him greatly."
Rabin was steeped in the founding values of the IDF. For him, young men and women should be donning the uniform with the pride that comes with defending one's country, not preparing to serve as the policemen of a military occupation.
There was a time not so long ago when unilateral withdrawal in the absence of a peace partner was a winning political platform. It was Kadima's avowed agenda when it finished as the largest party in the 2006 Knesset elections. The public was persuaded that we had to draw permanent borders which would be secure and defensible, separate from the Palestinians and leave to them the majority of the West Bank.
Before long, though, that bubble had burst, pricked by the precedents set in the two areas already vacated unilaterally – Gaza and southern Lebanon. Hamas and Hizbullah rained down rockets, and the vindicated Right punctuated its told-you-sos with grim assurances that an evacuated West Bank would quickly become yet another base for genocidal Iranian proxies.
However, as Haaretz commentator, Ari Shavit, recently pointed out, to cite the increased Kassams following disengagement is to miss the point: "The Right was right, but the Right was also wrong. It understood the latent dangers in withdrawal, but completely failed to understand its necessity... The Right failed to grasp five years ago exactly what it refuses to grasp today... Israel must take its fate in its hands and act wisely to create a border between itself and Palestine. Only thus can it ensure its identity and legitimacy as a Jewish and democratic state."
A withdrawal from part of the West Bank in the absence of a peace agreement need not be entirely unilateral. Earlier this year, Ehud Ya'ari, the country's most prominent Arabaffairs journalist, proposed an "armistice agreement," whereby we would evacuate settlers and soldiers from the vast majority of the West Bank, keeping enough territory to "thicken" the country at its most vulnerable points, but leaving contiguous territory for the Palestinians to establish a state with provisional borders. The question of final borders, as well as the thorny issues of the refugees and Jerusalem, would be left until the Palestinians were ready and willing to negotiate. Ya'ari believes the Palestinians could be persuaded to agree to this if the Western states that bankroll their economy endorse his plan.
This is not the cry of a utopian peacenik. Ya'ari's extensive sources in the Arab world tell him that the Palestinians will soon be pushing for one state-of-all-its-citizens – that is, one state on all the land, where Arabs would outnumber Jews. There would be no Jewish state here, just the latest Arab state: "The process of rethinking the goal of Palestinian statehood within the '67 borders is already at work, and Israelis have become so apathetic to anything that happens on the other side of the security fence that we as a society are way behind in reading the writing on the wall."
Does this apathy extend to the country's leaders? We must hope not. For one way or another, with or without a negotiating partner, we need to act. Netanyahu's principal focus on stopping Iran going nuclear is understandable, but continuing to rule over the West Bank poses no less of an existential threat to our Jewish and democratic state.
The writer worked in the Public Affairs Department of the Israeli Embassy in London and as the ambassador's speechwriter before making aliya.
If we don't act, they will
By PAUL GROSS
12/28/2010 23:38
http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-EdContributors/Article.aspx?id=201332
Our status as a Western democracy will not survive our ruling over the Palestinians.
We appear to have reached the end of the latest fruitless attempt at resolving this too-long and too-bloody conflict. There's plenty of blame to go around. The Americans' early focus on a settlement freeze ensured that the Palestinians would have a perfect excuse to avoid direct negotiations – even though this had never before been a condition for peace talks. Meanwhile, the revelation that Mahmoud Abbas had rejected Ehud Olmert's parting offer of a two-state solution that went beyond anything previously offered in its crossing of supposed red lines was not a promising sign that the Palestinians were even ready to do a deal.
Binyamin Netanyahu responded to the US request by trying to appease Barack Obama while not alienating the settlers, ordering a 10-month moratorium but insisting it would be a one-time event. He ignored the advice of wiser heads in his government, such as Dan Meridor, who urged him to take the opportunity to make a distinction between the settlement blocs which, according to all previous peace proposals, would remain part of Israel, and settlements that would have to be evacuated as part of any future peace agreement.
However, far more depressing than this entirely predictable failure is the unavoidable feeling that, for some members of the government (possibly including the prime minister), the situation simply means we can go on as before.
They are surely familiar with the arguments for reaching a two-state deal. For the past decade or more, politicians on the Left and, increasingly, the center and even the Right have understood that Israel is fast heading toward a situation where the number of Arabs living in all the territory that it controls will outnumber the number of Jews. It would then face a demand for a one-state solution which would force it to either lose its Jewish character demographically or become an apartheid state.
This country needs to end the occupation, not for peace, not for the cause of Palestinian statehood, but for itself.
The reasons for this go beyond the demographic argument.
We should not underestimate how much we gain internationally by virtue of being part of the West. As much as we complain, justifiably, about the double standards in the Western media and among certain European "liberal" institutions, Israel is a close ally of not just the US, but the EU states, Canada, Australia and the liberal democratic world. This status is manifested in numerous ways, from preferential trade agreements, to diplomatic support at the UN, to cultural ties and more.
However, as Ehud Barak said just a few days ago: "The world is changing before our eyes, and is no longer willing to accept, even temporarily, our continued control over another people."
Quite simply, our status as a Western democracy will not survive our ruling over the Palestinians indefinitely. Security-based arguments for not returning to the pre-1967 borders are sound, but no Western government will accept that historical and religious ties to Judea and Samaria can justify Israel remaining in control there while denying the Palestinians equal rights.
IF YOU need another argument, how about this one: If we don't act to change the status quo, the Palestinians will. Threats to give up on a negotiated settlement and to go to the international community for support are not idle. If the world perceives us to be primarily to blame for the hold-up in negotiations (for example by continuing to build settlements in areas of the West Bank that will definitely be part of a future Palestinian state), there could be widespread support for an imposed solution, with the world – including our allies – recognizing the state of Palestine within the 1967 borders.
The final reason to end, finally, our control of the Palestinians is the simplest of all. It is wrong. Eitan Haber, who served as Yitzhak Rabin's bureau chief, has described how Rabin understood "that we could not continue to rule 2.5 million Palestinians against their will. The indications of moral deterioration that had appeared as part of our rule over the Arabs in the territories led him to recognize that we must not continue to dominate another people. The scenes of what the occupation was doing to the IDF and the behavior of soldiers at roadblocks or in the pursuit of demonstrators concerned him greatly."
Rabin was steeped in the founding values of the IDF. For him, young men and women should be donning the uniform with the pride that comes with defending one's country, not preparing to serve as the policemen of a military occupation.
There was a time not so long ago when unilateral withdrawal in the absence of a peace partner was a winning political platform. It was Kadima's avowed agenda when it finished as the largest party in the 2006 Knesset elections. The public was persuaded that we had to draw permanent borders which would be secure and defensible, separate from the Palestinians and leave to them the majority of the West Bank.
Before long, though, that bubble had burst, pricked by the precedents set in the two areas already vacated unilaterally – Gaza and southern Lebanon. Hamas and Hizbullah rained down rockets, and the vindicated Right punctuated its told-you-sos with grim assurances that an evacuated West Bank would quickly become yet another base for genocidal Iranian proxies.
However, as Haaretz commentator, Ari Shavit, recently pointed out, to cite the increased Kassams following disengagement is to miss the point: "The Right was right, but the Right was also wrong. It understood the latent dangers in withdrawal, but completely failed to understand its necessity... The Right failed to grasp five years ago exactly what it refuses to grasp today... Israel must take its fate in its hands and act wisely to create a border between itself and Palestine. Only thus can it ensure its identity and legitimacy as a Jewish and democratic state."
A withdrawal from part of the West Bank in the absence of a peace agreement need not be entirely unilateral. Earlier this year, Ehud Ya'ari, the country's most prominent Arabaffairs journalist, proposed an "armistice agreement," whereby we would evacuate settlers and soldiers from the vast majority of the West Bank, keeping enough territory to "thicken" the country at its most vulnerable points, but leaving contiguous territory for the Palestinians to establish a state with provisional borders. The question of final borders, as well as the thorny issues of the refugees and Jerusalem, would be left until the Palestinians were ready and willing to negotiate. Ya'ari believes the Palestinians could be persuaded to agree to this if the Western states that bankroll their economy endorse his plan.
This is not the cry of a utopian peacenik. Ya'ari's extensive sources in the Arab world tell him that the Palestinians will soon be pushing for one state-of-all-its-citizens – that is, one state on all the land, where Arabs would outnumber Jews. There would be no Jewish state here, just the latest Arab state: "The process of rethinking the goal of Palestinian statehood within the '67 borders is already at work, and Israelis have become so apathetic to anything that happens on the other side of the security fence that we as a society are way behind in reading the writing on the wall."
Does this apathy extend to the country's leaders? We must hope not. For one way or another, with or without a negotiating partner, we need to act. Netanyahu's principal focus on stopping Iran going nuclear is understandable, but continuing to rule over the West Bank poses no less of an existential threat to our Jewish and democratic state.
The writer worked in the Public Affairs Department of the Israeli Embassy in London and as the ambassador's speechwriter before making aliya.
"Een "nieuwe exodus" uit de Westoever zou wonderen doen voor Israel en haar afbrokkelende imago in de wereld."
BeantwoordenVerwijderenBeste Wouter, dat werd ook gezegd met de eenzijdige terugtrekking uit de Sinai.
En bij de eenzijdige terugtrekking uit Libanon.
En bij de eenzijdige terugtrekking uit Gaza.
Het blijkt de Israel haters hooguit enkele maanden wat stiller te houden.
Het zal heus niet alle problemen oplossen, maar de critici en internationale gemeenschap (VN) zullen een héél grote stok minder hebben om Israel mee te slaan, eigenlijk wel de allergrootste stok minder. Bij Jeruzalem bv. durft nauwelijks iemand te zeggen dat de Joden de hele oude stad moeten opgeven, al geldt dit formeel ook als "bezet gebied". De consensus schijnt toch wel een of andere vorm van deling of gemeenschappelijk bestuur te zijn.
BeantwoordenVerwijderenHet was voor mijn (aktieve) tijd, maar ik denk dat de vrede met Egypte en ontruiming van de Sinai Israels aanzien wel geholpen moet hebben, totdat de Libanon oorlog en daarna de eerste Intifada uitbrak. Ook de terugtrekking uit Gaza werd in de media toch wel met enige welwillendheid ontvangen, maar daarbij kwam snel het verwijt (terecht of niet) dat men hiermee de goedkeuring van Bush wou winnen om delen op de Westoever te kunnen houden.