maandag 3 mei 2010

Sympathie voor Israel groter in Oost-Europa dan in West-Europa

 
Most countries in Eastern Europe that today are free feel a greater sense of friendship and sympathy for Israel than most Western European countries, said Arens. Israel is facing attempts within Western Europe to delegitimize it, he said, saying that the potential to develop anti-Israel sentiments is likely in countries that share common values but no strategic interests with Israel.
 
 
Vreemd dat juist Oost-Europa waar het antisemitisme sterker is ontwikkeld dan in West-Europa wel positiever staat tegenover Israel.
 
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The Jerusalem Post
Arens: Israel faces attempts in Europe to delegitimize it
By GREER FAY CASHMAN
02/05/2010 03:34
http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=174441


"Common values and ideas ought to make for common strategic interests."


Thousands of Jews could have been saved if the British Mandate authorities had not been so ferociously aggressive in enforcing the White Paper, former defense and foreign minister Moshe Arens said at the Czech Embassy on Friday.

Arens, who was recently in Prague to participate in ceremonies marking 20 years since the resumption of diplomatic ties between Israel and then-Czechoslovakia, was invited to the embassy by Czech Ambassador-designate Tomas Pojar to share memories of the renewal of ties and to comment on relations between Israel and other Eastern and Central European countries that had freed themselves from Soviet yoke.

"Common values and ideals ought to make for common strategic interests," Arens said, but he cited examples in which this was not always the case.

Though Israel shares common ideals and values with Canada as it does with the US, he instanced, Israel did not enjoy a close relationship with Canada until Stephen Harper became prime minister in 2006, at which time he introduced a change in policy.

Despite the recent declaration by US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that America's relationship with Israel is "unshakeable and unbreakable" said Arens, "we may have a change of relationship with the US."

Israel's relationship with the US did not start well, he recalled, because the CIA did not anticipate that Israel would be around for long and told then-president Harry S. Truman that there was no point in going out on a limb.

It was only after the Six Day War that the US realized Israel was a factor to be contended with and a strategic interest, said Arens.

Turning to the UK, he recalled the introduction of the 1939 White Paper restricting Jewish immigration and land purchase in Palestine. The White Paper issued by the Chamberlain government was an appeasement to the Arab states, said Arens, emphasizing that there was no question that thousands of Jews could have been saved from the Nazis if the British had not adamantly and ferociously pursued the White Paper.

When turning back a shipload of illegal Jewish immigrants to Palestine in September 1939, the British shot two of the people on the ship. They were among the earliest casualties of World War II, Arens declared.

During the War of Independence, he continued, the British supplied arms to the Arabs, and after the establishment of the state, it was several months before Israel was recognized by the UK. One explanation for this, he said, was that Britain's strategic interests did not coincide with those of Israel.

By contrast, the French government did see a strategic interest in Israel, but this ceased under the administration of Charles de Gaulle, who worked to establish a closer relationship with the Arab world. Arens noted that there has been a substantial, positive change of attitude under the leadership of President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Germany's relations with Israel cannot be divorced from memories of the Holocaust said Arens. He added that German governments were so sensitive to the delicacy of their relations with Israel that when there were reports during the Gulf War that German industries had supplied chemicals to Iraq from which gas bombs could be manufactured, high ranking German officials rushed to Israel to offer any kind of assistance that Israel might need.

Although Hungary was the first Soviet bloc country to renew ties with Israel, followed by Poland, Czechoslovakia and Bulgaria, Hungary was not the first country to put feelers for diplomatic relations.

Of all the countries that had been under Soviet subjugation said Arens, Israel's best friend was Poland. The late president Lech Kaczynski, whom Arens met on several occasions, "loved Israel, took a great interest in the history of the Jews and in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising."

Arens said he thought that Eastern European countries that initially made overtures to Israel wanted to demonstrate their independence as the Soviet Union began to crumble.

Most countries in Eastern Europe that today are free feel a greater sense of friendship and sympathy for Israel than most Western European countries, said Arens. Israel is facing attempts within Western Europe to delegitimize it, he said, saying that the potential to develop anti-Israel sentiments is likely in countries that share common values but no strategic interests with Israel.

3 opmerkingen:

  1. Is dat nu wel waar? Is "antisemitisme in Oost Europa sterker ontwikkeld dan in het westen"? De grote moord op de Joden werd aangewakkerd vanuit het Westen, uit Spanje, uit de landen vanwaar de Kruisvaarders kwamen, de Duitse landen voornamelijk en later was er Hitler. Niet dat er in Oost Europa geen Jodenhaat broeide maar het zou oneerlijk zijn om bovenstaande feiten niet te noemen.
    Aangaande nu, de 21ste eeuw lijkt dat men in Oost Europa beter beseft waartegen Israel vecht, een totalitaire beweging (Islam) die de wereld aan het veroveren is. In Oost Europa weet men nauwkeurig wat zoiets betekent. In de praktijk immers beoogde communisme hetzelfde.

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  2. De nazi's buiten beschouwing gelaten (ik geef toe, dat vergt nogal wat van de verbeelding...), kwamen grootschalige pogroms zoals in Tsaristisch Rusland in West-Europa na de Middeleeuwen toch niet meer voor, en vergeet niet dat Polen in de jaren '30 ook antisemitische wetten aannam. Grote delen van Oost-Europa liepen in die tijd achter op het gebied van democratie en mensenrechten (en nu nog)...

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  3. In Polen zijn in een jaar tijd vlak na de oorlog meer dan 1000 Joden omgebracht, daar hadden ze de nazi's niet voor nodig. De Duitsers bouwden de concentratiekampen niet voor niets in het Oosten, want daar verwachtte men minder verzet van de bevolking. In Rusland maar ook in Polen werden de nazi's flink geholpen door de lokale bevolking. Ook hier was er collaboratie, maar niet zo extreem. Verschillende politici in Oost Europa zijn ook nu openlijk antisemitisch; er rust niet het taboe op als hier. Men ziet zichzelf ook als voornaamste slachtoffer van de nazi's en in de communistische ideologie waren de communisten en antifascisten de voornaamste slachtoffers, en niet de 'passieve' Joden. In de serie 'In Europa' kwam een vrouw uit Polen aan het woord die vertelde van een concentratiekamp vlakbij waar zij woonde waar vooral Joden waren vermoord, maar zij hoorde dat pas nadat het communistische regime was gevallen.

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