"Je sluit geen vrede met je vrienden, maar met je vijanden", zo luidt een bekend cliché. Maar in de geschiedenis waren die vijanden meestal eerst verslagen of op zijn minst ernstig verzwakt, voordat het mogelijk was vrede te sluiten. Een beweging of partij geeft zijn doelen niet zomaar op. De pogingen van Carter, en velen in het zogenaamde 'realistische kamp', om Israël met Hamas te laten praten zonder aan Hamas voorwaarden te stellen zoals het accepteren van Israëls bestaanrecht, speelt Hamas in de kaart. Ook het staakt-het-vuren dat nu in de maak is, zal Hamas legitimeren en versterken, zowel moreel als militair.
Ratna
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Posted: May 02, 2008
Rosner's Blog
There's no moral virtue in talking to one's enemies
My frequent readers already know what I think about the latest visit of Jimmy Carter to the Middle East. Last week I wrote this:
The choice of those who still continue to insist on the need to listen to Carter is based on lies - it is possible to ignore him, protest his manipulative tricks, and still continue to work for true peace between Israel and the Arabs. There is no contradiction.
A couple of days ago, though, I wrote another piece on Carter for Slate, essentially analyzing his latest OpEd published in the New York Times. You can read it in full on Slate, or a couple of paragraphs here:
How Carter is helping Hamas
In his op-ed, two reasons emerged for the necessity of such talks, but Carter, misleadingly, turned them into one.
The first is that "Hamas [is] steadily gaining popularity." That's the let's-just-deal-with-reality argument: Hamas is strong, Hamas makes the rules, and we have to talk to the party in power. The second is "there can be no peace with Palestinians divided." That's the what-we're-trying-to-do-here-is-help-make-peace argument. Presumably, Carter is not in the business of sabotaging the peace talks being conducted by Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas or undermining his efforts to rebuild a moderate, democratic Palestinian Authority. It just looks that way.
It is no accident that in Carter's version, these two arguments are mushed together and left unrecognizable. Carter is a calculating diplomat, and he knows his way around land mines. He needs the arguments to be confusingly entangled, because neither can stand on its own feet. Helping the cause of peace by engaging a party that expresses no interest in a two-state solution makes no sense. Talking to a villain because he is strong while giving up on the possibility of moderates being able to overcome their difficulties is a despairingly defeatist goal.
"This policy" Carter argues, "makes difficult the possibility that such leaders might moderate their policies." The hope of eventual moderation is another easy argument made by proponents of engagement, who fail to recognize that in some cases, moderation is not a reasonable expectation. Here, Carter is guilty not only of miscalculation but of hubris. He apparently believes that by the force of his personality and powers of persuasion, he can make Hamas change a deeply rooted ideology. Unfortunately, he can't.
There's no moral virtue in talking to one's enemies. Engagement is a tool, but so are disengagement and isolation. Both are effective, if used wisely; both can be damaging if used in haste. Talking to one's enemies is a tool - as is complaining about one's reluctance to talk to one's enemies. This is the tool now being used by Hamas and Syria - assisted by Carter - as they try to escape and counter the isolation being applied to them. Making the case for engagement helps them achieve their strategic goal.
The choice of those who still continue to insist on the need to listen to Carter is based on lies - it is possible to ignore him, protest his manipulative tricks, and still continue to work for true peace between Israel and the Arabs. There is no contradiction.
A couple of days ago, though, I wrote another piece on Carter for Slate, essentially analyzing his latest OpEd published in the New York Times. You can read it in full on Slate, or a couple of paragraphs here:
How Carter is helping Hamas
In his op-ed, two reasons emerged for the necessity of such talks, but Carter, misleadingly, turned them into one.
The first is that "Hamas [is] steadily gaining popularity." That's the let's-just-deal-
It is no accident that in Carter's version, these two arguments are mushed together and left unrecognizable. Carter is a calculating diplomat, and he knows his way around land mines. He needs the arguments to be confusingly entangled, because neither can stand on its own feet. Helping the cause of peace by engaging a party that expresses no interest in a two-state solution makes no sense. Talking to a villain because he is strong while giving up on the possibility of moderates being able to overcome their difficulties is a despairingly defeatist goal.
"This policy" Carter argues, "makes difficult the possibility that such leaders might moderate their policies." The hope of eventual moderation is another easy argument made by proponents of engagement, who fail to recognize that in some cases, moderation is not a reasonable expectation. Here, Carter is guilty not only of miscalculation but of hubris. He apparently believes that by the force of his personality and powers of persuasion, he can make Hamas change a deeply rooted ideology. Unfortunately, he can't.
There's no moral virtue in talking to one's enemies. Engagement is a tool, but so are disengagement and isolation. Both are effective, if used wisely; both can be damaging if used in haste. Talking to one's enemies is a tool - as is complaining about one's reluctance to talk to one's enemies. This is the tool now being used by Hamas and Syria - assisted by Carter - as they try to escape and counter the isolation being applied to them. Making the case for engagement helps them achieve their strategic goal.
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- Rosner's Blog: Praten met Hamas heeft geen zin
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- Benjamin Pogrund over Israel: "Why we are here"
- IMRA: leven IDF soldaten moet voorop staan in Gaza...
- Staakt-het-vuren in de maak?
- Abbas een man van vrede?
- Hamas: "Holocaust was Zionistisch plan om gehandic...
- Toespraak Shimon Peres bij de openingsceremonie va...
- Enquete Israëlische tieners over antisemitisme
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- 3 Palestijnen ontsnapt uit gevangenis Jericho
- Hoe premier Olmert met fallout van Syrische kernre...
- Dry Bones:Golan Promise
- Zeven Palestijnse doden bij gevecht tussen Israël ...
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- Nieuwe aanval Hezbollah op Israël is kwestie van tijd
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- Syrische vredesbelofte waarschijnlijk PR stunt
- Kan Israël zich permiteren de Golan op te geven?
- 'Hamas probeert onbemande vliegtuigjes met bommen ...
- Lybische VN ambassadeur: "Gaza erger dan Nazi kampen"
- Zuidafrikaanse nobelprijswinnares Nadine Gordimer ...
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- Is Israël echt zo beroerd? (Yair Lapid)
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Achtergrondartikelen
- Jeruzalem
- Blokkade Gazastrook en Free Gaza vloot
- Etnische zuivering
- Column Simon Soesan
- Berichtgeving Israël door NOS Journaal
- Krantenonderzoek NRC Israël-Palestina
- Gaza Oorlog
- Tijdlijn Israël-Palestina
- 60 Jaar Israël en de Nakba
- Israël en de Verenigde Naties: 60 jaar later
- Scholieren pagina
- Reisverslag Israël
- Geschiedenis conflict
- Zesdaagse Oorlog
- Palestijnen politiek
- Israël politiek
- Geschiedenis Palestijnen
- Geschiedenis Joden en antisemitisme
- Bezette gebieden en nederzettingen
- Apartheidsmuur of veiligheidshek
- Gaza Strook
- Hamas
- Palestijnse Gevangenendocument
- Vluchtelingen
- Mythes en beeldvorming over het conflict
- Initiatieven voor vrede en verzoening
- Israël boycot
- Verenigde Naties
- Zionisme
- Anti-Zionisme
- Hezbollah
- United Civilians for Peace
- Landkaarten
- Overige artikelen Israël-Palestina
- Oudere artikelen Israël-Palestina
- Links Israël - Palestina
- Boycot Israël (opinie)
- Israël als Joodse staat (opinie)
- Het zijn net mensen - Luyendijk (opinie)
- Dries van Agt over Israël - Palestina (opinie)
Labels (tot 2012)
- anti-Israel lobby (78)
- anti-zionisme / anti-Zionism (236)
- antisemitisme / anti-Semitism (457)
- Arabische wereld / Arab world (142)
- boycots / boycotts (118)
- Christendom (74)
- Duitsland (9)
- Egypte / Egypt (190)
- Europa / Europe (405)
- Gaza konvooi / Gaza flotilla (133)
- Gaza Oorlog / Gaza War (154)
- Gazastrook / Gaza Strip (866)
- geschiedenis/history (162)
- Gevangenen / Prisoners (153)
- Hamas (726)
- Hezbollah (154)
- IDF (103)
- Internat. hulpverlening / Int. Aid (14)
- Iran (250)
- Islam (130)
- Israël / Israel (1312)
- Israel lobby (31)
- Israëlische Arabieren / Israeli Arabs (142)
- Jeruzalem / Jerusalem (155)
- Joden / Jews (203)
- Jordanië / Jordan (21)
- kernwapens / nuclear arms (95)
- Libanon / Lebanon (174)
- media (418)
- Mensenrechten / Human Rights (136)
- Nederland (279)
- Nederlandse politiek / Dutch politics (51)
- nederzettingen / settlements (181)
- NGO's (140)
- Onderzoek en peilingen / Research and polls (100)
- Oorlog/War (24)
- opruiing / incitement (50)
- Palestijnen / Palestinians (932)
- politiek/politics (83)
- Positief nieuws / Good news (3)
- Racisme / Racism (38)
- Soedan / Sudan (8)
- Syrië / Syria (114)
- terrorisme / terror (571)
- Turkije / Turkey (45)
- vluchtelingen / refugees (114)
- VN / UN (254)
- Vrede / Peace (377)
- Vrouwen / Women (48)
- VS / USA (274)
- Water (20)
- Westoever / West Bank (89)
- Zionisme / Zionism (62)
Link Lijst
- * Brabosh
- * Christenen voor Israel
- * CIDI
- * CiJO - Voor Israel, Voor Vrede
- * De Joodse Lobby
- * Dutchblog Israel
- * IMO Blog - Israel & Midden-Oosten
- * Israël in de Media
- * Israël-Palestina Info
- * IsraNed nieuws over Israel
- * Likoed Nederland
- * Missing Peace (NL)
- * Ratna's Verkenningen
- * Sittard Web Log (Wouter Brassé)
- * Trouw Israel Monitor
- AP Israel Watch
- At the back of the hill (North Beach USA)
- Dvar Dea from Israel
- Elder of Ziyon
- Engage (Great Britain university group)
- Fresno Zionism
- Guardian Comment is Free - CiF Watch
- Haifa Diary
- Irene Lancaster's Diary (aliyah, religion and politics) 2008-2009
- Israel: like this, as if (2007-2010)
- IsraelProud (Laurence Seeff)
- Jeff Weintraub - Commentaries and Controversies
- Liberal Defence of Israel
- Maurice Ostroff - Countering Bias and Misinformation
- Middle East Analysis
- MidEastWeb for Coexistence
- Normblog
- Peace with Realism
- Philosemitism
- Point of no Return (Jewish refugees)
- Pro-Israel Bay Bloggers
- Ratna's Verkenningen
- Ray Cook - Israel, Zionism and the Media
- Realistic Dove
- Second Thoughts - Countering Bias and Misinformation
- Simply Jews
- Six Day War
- The Crethi and the Plethi
- ZioNation Progressive Zionism
- Zionism Israel Info Center
Background articles
- Arab-Israeli Conflict in short
- Boycott Israel Campaigns (ZOTW)
- Boycott Israel does not help peace (IPI)
- Boycott Israel? (ZIIC)
- Christian Zionism
- Dutch Media: Study of NRC Handelsblad
- Gaza & the Qassam Victims of Sderot
- Grand Mufti Hajj Amin Al Husseini
- History Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (1) (Arabic) تاريخ النزاع الإسرائيلي الفلسطيني، الجزء الأول
- History Israeli-Palestinian Conflict (2) (Arabic) تاريخ النزاع الإسرائيلي الفلسطيني، الجزء الثاني
- Israel
- Israel War of Independence 1948
- Israel War of Independence 1948 Timeline
- Jew
- Jew Hate
- Maps of Israel
- Palestine Nakba 1948
- Palestine: Ethnic Cleansing
- Review Amnesty International Report on Gaza War
- Six Day War
- The Jewish State, by Theodor Herzl (pdf)
- Zionism
- Zionism and its Impact
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