woensdag 12 december 2012

Israelische soldaten in aanvaring met Palestijnen

 

Het is onze media en daarmee de gemiddelde nieuwsconsument ontgaan, maar afgelopen week waren er verschillende incidenten waarbij Israelische soldaten met stenen werden bekogeld. En nee, ze schoten niet terug met scherp en er vielen geen Palestijnse doden en gewonden (in dat geval had u het waarschijnlijk wel via onze media vernomen). Ze kozen het hazepad. In dit geval gebeurde er verder niks maar stenen kunnen ook dodelijk zijn. Een soldaat vertelt:

According to S., orders to open fire address situations of a clear and present danger and only if there is a person with the means and intent to kill. "But what is an angry mob throwing stones and sometimes rocks at you if not a life threatening situation? I wouldn't order opening fire at a crowd of people but we can't have a situation where you stand in front of a person with a rock and start to ask yourself is this person life threatening. If I shoot at him I go to jail."

Dit is een heel ander verhaal dan wat we via de media te zien krijgen, waar wordt gesuggereerd dat Israelische soldaten ‘trigger happy’ zijn en een Palestijns leven voor hun niets waard is. Straffeloos zouden ze op burgers kunnen schieten. In werkelijkheid is men behoorlijk terughoudend, en vaak wordt niet geschoten om doden te voorkomen. Dat geldt overigens ook voor luchtoperaties in Gaza, die soms op het laatst werden afgeblazen als de kans op onschuldige doden te groot was. 

 

RP

 

NB: zie de oorspronkelijke artikelen op Ynet voor foto's en een video van de gebeurtenissen.

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Soldiers: Our hands are being tied

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4317755,00.html

IDF inquiry determines troops chased away by Palestinian mob in Qaddum should not have retreated. But soldier claims troops being given intentionally vague orders

Itamar Fleishman

Published: 

12.10.12, 00:49 / Israel News

The past week has seen two incidents involving soldiers and Palestinians causing the IDF much embarrassment. An initial investigation of an incident in the West Bank last Friday in which IDF soldiers were forced to flee a mob of stone-throwing Palestinians suggests that the troops did not act in a professional manner.

 

An IDF inquiry conducted by officers in the Judea and Samaria Division determined that the soldiers should have demonstrated resolve instead of retreating.

 

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A video that surfaced over the weekend shows Palestinians stoning Israeli security forces, eventually forcing them to run for cover - similiar to the incident in Hebron.

 

Six IDF soldiers equipped with shields and crowd-dispersal means found themselves ambushed by a crowd of stone throwing Palestinians in the West Bank village of Kafr Qaddum.

  

The combatants tried to hide behind a wall but soon came under a barrage of stones and decided to escape the scene with the protesters chasing after them, throwing stones at them and calling "Allahu Akbar."

 

S., a soldier serving in the Hebron sector, says that the troops' hands are effectively tied. "The orders we are given for situations such as this are just vague, and we all feel that this is intentional," he says.

 

"More than anything the images humiliate us as combatants who are supposed to carry out much more complex missions. We have no ability to handle a group of protesters because our hands are simply tied. It's not that we're not trained to handle these protests. We need to be given tools."

 

According to S., orders to open fire address situations of a clear and present danger and only if there is a person with the means and intent to kill. "But what is an angry mob throwing stones and sometimes rocks at you if not a life threatening situation? I wouldn't order opening fire at a crowd of people but we can't have a situation where you stand in front of a person with a rock and start to ask yourself is this person life threatening. If I shoot at him I go to jail."

 

T., a combatant in an infantry brigade, also claims that soldiers are not equipped to handle the complex situation on the ground. "There's nothing more humiliating for a combatant than to see his friends run," he says.

 

He criticizes the army for sending such a small group of soldiers to Qaddum on Friday at a particularly volatile time.

 

T. says the cameras on the ground undermine the forces' efforts. "A commander or an officer sees a camera and becomes a diplomat, calculating every rubber bullet, every step. It's intolerable, we're left utterly exposed. The cameras are our kryptonite."

 

IDF forces are trained not to get dragged into protesters' provocations and instead demonstrate resolve. In preparation for possible West Bank riots in September 2011, IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz instructed the army to place senior commanders at the head of patrols.

 

The IDF is now checking whether a junior commander had made the decision to flee the scene in Kafr Qaddum.

 

The IDF Spokesperson's Unit said in response, "The event documented in the video is being investigated by the top commanders in the field.

 

"The incident occurred during a violent and illegal riot in Qaddum - one of the most violent areas in the Judea and Samaria district. The IDF updated its crowd-dispersal guidelines following the event."

 

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Palestinian officer punches soldier amid clashes in Hebron

IDF force on routine patrol in Hebron dragged into brawl with Palestinian officers after trying to arrest suspect. Hundreds of Palestinians respond by hurling stones at troops forcing them to flee the scene

Itamar Fleishman

Latest Update: 

12.07.12, 00:50 / Israel News

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4316707,00.html

 

The heightened tensions between Israel and the Palestinian Authority in the wake of the PA's UN status upgrade are having effect on the ground.

 

A Palestinian officer on Thursday assaulted an IDF soldier who was on a routine patrol in Hebron following clashes that erupted after the soldiers tried to arrest a suspect in the city.

 

Following the clashes, dozens of Palestinians started hurling stones at the soldiers who were forced to escape the scene while hurling shock grenades. There were no injuries.

 

The unusual incident occurred while an IDF force was on a foot patrol in Hebron's market area. The soldiers tried to arrest a man connected to the Palestinian police and soon an argument between the officers and the troops broke out, later turning physical.

The army said that during the clashes one of the Palestinian officers punched a Nahal combatant, who did not require medical care.

 

Palestinians who witnessed the event started hurling stones at the soldiers and as their numbers grew the troops were left with no other choice but to flee the scene while calling for backup. The forces hurled a shock grenade to create a buffer zone between them and the Palestinian officers, the IDF said.

 

Other forces called to the scene were also assaulted by Palestinians who gathered in the area. Meanwhile, a riot involving Palestinian officers broke out at another location in the city.

 

Heightened tensions

Army officials said the IDF views with great severity the Palestinian officers' involvement and added that the incident will be investigated.


An initial investigation by the IDF's Judea and Samaria Division reveals that the incident was local. Six soldiers were patrolling the H1 area, which runs parallel to the Palestinian controlled Area A. The patrol, which was on foot, was inside the safety perimeter of the near-by Jewish settlement, an area which had previously been used for recent terror activity and stone throwing.

 

The soldiers, headed by the company commander, ran into Palestinian officers who demanded that they not pass through that specific route. The soldiers refused and the situation deteriorated as pushes and shoves where exchanged, quickly leading to a soldier getting punched in the face.

 

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